Talk:List of national independence days

Russia?!

Russia Day (Russian: День России, [Den' Rossii] Error: {{Lang}}: invalid parameter: |links= (help)) called Day of adoption of the Declaration of State Sovereignty of RSFSR (Russian: День принятия Декларации о государственном суверенитете РСФСР, [Den' prinyatia Declaratsii o gosudarstvennom suvernitete RSFSR] Error: {{Lang}}: invalid parameter: |links= (help)) before 2002, is the national holiday of the Russian Federation. It has been celebrated annually on 12 June since 1992. The day commemorates the adoption of the Declaration of State Sovereignty of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (RSFSR) on 12 June 1990.

Why is the color green on the map? Where is the “unification/revolution” here? We are talking about the sovereignty of a union republic within the USSR.

Probably, it should also be included in the table along with other former republics of the USSR, although the celebrated declaration proclaimed not independence, but the sovereignty of the republic within the Soviet Union (the supremacy of republican law over union law), but in its meaning it is precisely the celebration of the beginning of national subjectivity. --Klangtao (talk) 21:32, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

It’s sovereignty and not independence. Some of the states listed have separate sovereignty days, and those do not appear in this list. Maybe there should be additional columns, or another table, or a separate List of national sovereignty days, but Russia Day doesn’t belong in this list as it stands.

What’s shown on the map seems to be independence days and other national days around the world, so its scope is broader than this list’s.

(Why Russia’s is classified “unification/revolution related” seems a bit obtuse to me, but then so is the sovereignty of Russia, which asserted that the USSR ceased to exist but then insisted that it is its continuator state.) —Michael Z. 03:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, Russia, unlike other republics of the former USSR, did not accept the declaration of independence, and therefore has a national holiday on the day of proclamation of state sovereignty (according to which it remains one of the union republics of the USSR - similar declarations were adopted in 1990 by all union republics). But you won’t deny that it has been an independent state since December 26, 1991?

Russian propaganda can tell anything it wants now, but legally the successors of the Soviet Union (owners of union property on their territory) are all the former republics of the USSR. The Russian Federation (renamed RSFSR), by agreement with the rest of them (and with pressing of the West), exercises the continuity of the former Union in international organizations. The very celebration of this date indicates that Russia does not officially identify itself with the self-dissolved union center (which would be completely absurd). --Klangtao (talk) 09:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

That’s all true. But . . .

This is a list of “propaganda” by states: their own institutionalized Independence Day holidays. It is not a list of factual dates of independence. Ukraine’s Independence Day is August 24 for example, a holiday commemorating its declaration which was later ratified and internationally recognized.

What “very celebration” do you refer to?

Are you saying we should list Russia’s national Independence Day as December 26, 1991? As far as I know, December 26 is not a Russian holiday (nor is it in Ukraine, nor other ex-Soviet republics as far as I know).

Or do you mean Russia Day, June 12, commemorating the 1990 declaration of sovereignty, and nothing to do with independence? I don’t believe it belongs here, as I explained. I don’t know how many states have sovereignty days, but they are not listed here.

Russia doesn’t have a holiday that belongs in this list of holidays.  —Michael Z. 16:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

American Withdrawal Day (Afghanistan)

The link for "American Withdrawal Day" just goes to 2020–2021 US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, which says that the government collapsed after troops withdrew and subsequently the Taliban took control, so I'm not sure when it could have been officially established as a holiday. The article doesn't say anything about whether people celebrate it unofficially, either. I think this holiday needs a better citation. 2600:8806:400:A500:1528:A0B7:759:613F (talk) 06:39, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Netherlands Liberation Day

The Netherlands has been officially liberated from German occupation on May 5th, 1945, the country celebrates this every year. It is odd to me that independence from the Spanish is mentioned here - which is really only celebrated in 2 cities in the Netherlands for the achievements of those specific cities - and there is no mention of the 5th of May, a day literally called liberation day, celebrating their freedom from a much more recent occupier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1C00:248D:1700:244B:62FD:9824:2B5C (talk) 08:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Austria?

Shown on the map in green but not listed in the table 2600:1700:A460:1300:C7C8:549C:4D88:1327 (talk) 21:32, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Spain

Should we consider the Spanish Unification with the weddings of the catholic monarchs? I think it can also be with the Decretos de Nueva Planta, when Felipe V unified all the kingdoms of Spain into one. By the way, I'm just asking. The Spanish National day is on October 12th, when Columbus discovered America. PereM.Aranda YT (talk) 18:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)